Comm-Immunity
Comm-Immunity
The Science of Coherence: Rewriting Your Brain’s Default Settings
What if your mind’s default setting has been steering you away from the life you actually want?
In this conversation with Dr. Ken West, we explore why so many people run on a negative bias without realising it—and how shifting your inner signal can bring more ease, clarity, and better results.
With over 40 years of experience helping world champions, creators, and leaders, Ken shares a grounded way to move from reactivity to calm, intentional action. We talk about why overthinking slows change, how doubt hijacks momentum, and why intention works better when it’s paired with allowing rather than control.
You’ll hear how your mind, body, and energy can fall out of sync—and simple ways to bring them back into alignment. Ken reframes the placebo effect, explains why neutrality is such a powerful baseline, and reveals patterns he’s seen in the people who consistently succeed without burning out.
Most of all, this episode gives you practical tools to reconnect with your own clarity—whether you want to feel less overwhelmed, make cleaner decisions, or finally break the cycle of self-doubt.
If you’re ready for more coherence and less noise, this conversation will show you where to start.
Welcome to the Community Immunity Podcast, created to support, guide, and grow in the spiritual, physical, mental, and emotional immunity. My name is Lucia Hargasoba, and I am a leadership and life coach. My first guest is Dr. Ken West. Hi everyone, my name is Lucia. Welcome to this beautiful episode podcast. I have a very special guest, Dr. Ken West, and I am going to start with asking the very first question. So, Ken, I have known you for over 15 years in a very different ways through different modalities. Let's call it that way. And you have shaped and changed to more positive my life and life of many of my friends and family members. So I'm just gonna ask you a very simple question. So I know that sometimes I call you like the conscious scientist. There will be probably like a couple of words which come into my mind. Can you tell me a little bit more? This this idea of like this this consciousness and the scientist, the mix?
SPEAKER_00:Well, okay. I come, you know, I come from a you know a medical educated scientific background, you know, being a US trained optometrist. And, you know, so I have you know the background in physiology and anatomy and and vision. And so I've been working for the last, you know, 40 years, I guess, with elite performers in sport, you know, 48 sports in uh 48, 47 countries, you know, I have Olympic gold medalists and world champions. But I've been working, you know, working with people that have a goal and someplace they want to go and that something they want to achieve, you know, and so they have it in sport, but everyone is in this life, we're in this life together, and we're here to evolve, we're here to grow, we're here to find out who we truly are. And so I've been on this journey figuring out who I am, and we don't learn by doing things correctly, we learn by making mistakes, and so you know, we all have different experience bases, you know, my some of mine is business, some of mine is science, some of mine is art, some of it is sport. And, you know, we use our different resources and our different experience bases to help us mold our life. And luckily, my life is diverse enough that I can talk to the sports people, or I can talk to the business people, or I can talk to the musicians and the artists, or I can, you know, because I have uh enough common language that I can talk to them and communicate with them. But you know, I find all the humans were all on the same journey. And we have, you know, 70% of all humans programming and in their conscious, subconscious, their neural triad system of the neocortex, the brainstem, and the midbrain, emotional brain, that 70% is negative and 30% is positive. So 70% of our thoughts are negative. Well, you know, that's what creates the problem. If you're having negative thoughts, then you're attracting negative experiences, and you just go down that downward spiral to create a mess. So, you know, we have you can have different applications, whether it's sport or business or music or art or teaching or your family or your friends, or you know, just creating your own life. It's all human performance. And so that's what you know. I've been looking at well, what how do we create this? You know, what are the programs that people have? What is the epigenome that you know, the epigenetics, Bruce Lipton's work? There's a you know, a signal from your brains that tells your DNA what to do. And if you you know look at that signal and 70% is negative and 30% is positive, that's what I wanted to do is find out how do we interact with that to improve that signal to go from 30% positive to 40 to 50 to 60, so that the more positive we think, the better our life gets. We all have been told that, we know that it's not new to us. But how do we do it? You know, how do we, you know, how do we consistently look on the bright side of life? You know, how do we consistently keep improving and you know, moving the needle closer and closer to the life that we actually want? And luckily, working with many different people in many different areas, you you start to see, well, what's the common thread? How do the humans function? And you know, everyone has struggles, everyone has challenges, and that's just the way we're wired. But how do we get away from that? Because we know when we're neutral and we don't react, then things go better. Well, you know, you just don't say, Well, I'm gonna be neutral. How do I start developing the skills? Well, you know, my experience is just that you have these negative triggers that trip your switch, and you have these negative reactions, and then you have to, it's like a knee-jerk reaction, then we're apologizing for our behavior. We didn't say that, we didn't mean to do that. So, you know, I just have been doing that with elite performers for 40 years. So it's over time, you I like I said, I start to see the trends of what's the consistent with all humans and what's unique to each human, or what country they're born in, or what situations they're in, and you know, and how does that affect us? But because we're all trying to get to the same place, we're all trying to get to those three basic goals for everyone in their life. And sorry, one of those is not money. They are they are happiness, you know, joy, there's peace and love.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I absolutely love this. So before you continue, I just want to get a little bit of a clarity. So you were saying, which is quite transformative as a stat alone, that if 70% we are wired negatively on average, that's you know, we are born to lose, let's literally like it's like the game is to expand. So is the goal, even before we go to the three areas which you just mentioned, is the goal for us to get to the place of neutrality or positivity? Like, are we trying to just balance the dark and the light to get to neutral place?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I I think there's a bit of misconception on this on the dark or the shadow side, people do the shadow work. But what I'm seeing is that we have dissonant shadow, which is the the negative thoughts, the negative behaviors. But you know, if we don't have any shadow, then we're living on the sun and we're gonna burn up, right? So we need shadows so that we have the shadow of the tray of the trees. I call them you know, coherent shadows, then those are the positive archetypes. And so if you have the if you're focused on creating that shift, that transition from your dissonance to your coherence, then that it makes it clearer is what we're trying to do. So if you focus on those, then it's just creating that shift over and over. And how do we become efficient at getting that shift to happen?
SPEAKER_01:Beautiful. And I think how we can bring it to the moment. And then I did have a one curious question. I know you like curious questions, and that's about, you know, there always seems to be, even within me, a striving for something better. Okay. And I know that as a humanity, that's why we're evolving, like we want to go somewhere, but it's from a conscious or let's say spiritual standpoint, it is about practicing the beauty within the present moment. So, what did you see over these 40 years? So, how does this actually link with one another? Stepping into becoming peaceful in the present moment, appreciating all these beautiful things that I already have and actually enjoying to the fullness of life, you know, the sun that is shining through my window right now, and the fact that I have electricity and heat, the fact that my son is healthy, etc. So I could be here until the end of the day, naming as many things that work in my life, and yet I am striving for something that is there in the future or how I can improve my life. So, yeah, would love your point of view of this.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I think it's a transition. You start off with whatever you're unhappy with. You know, our best teacher is pain. And that's one of the programs that everyone starts with is that we have to live a life of pain, struggle, suffering, difficulty. So we start to try to manage those things, all right? And to the best management is for is the neutrality we talked about. So is that everything in life either controls you or you control it. So anything is still controlling you. People stimulate that memory, that associative part of your emotional brain, they trigger you, and then you have this reaction. Your physiology reacts, your whole somatic system reacts, and you're upset, and you and then you have to, you know, talk yourself back off the ledge and back down, back into you know, being calm and back into being okay. Well, you know, the first is to recognize that that happened, and then to hold on to that, and then to to be able to get it to shift to what you want it to be, but and then to re release it. And once it's gone, then you don't get triggered by it ever again. So you stay neutral and until the next thing that kicks you out. And if you identify each of those negative programs, uh negative emotions, if you identify those and you create, you know, and you proactively go after neutralizing them, resolving the issue, then one by one they disappear and you get less and less and less. So your periods of being neutral are bigger than before. And so you know you're improving and life is getting better. But the goal isn't to be neutral and numb. The goal is to be have a instead of a fluctuation from the highs, you're happy for two seconds and then you're depressed for two days, and then you're, you know, that roller coaster up and down. The goal is to go from neutral up into the joy, back down to the the neutral, which is the peace, and then back up to the joy and enjoying the love all the time. So, you know, it's first is how do you resolve and get rid of the negative programming? And then after that, how do you start to create, co-create, you know, new things you want to experience, new things you want to do, and which it's a it's a similar process, or else just navigating the an unknown. So, you know, one is resolving issues, one is create being is creating new things, new experiences, art, beauty, things like that. Another one is navigating your way around unknown territory. And then the the fourth area that I found is is mastery, where you're taking the complexity and making it very simple, graceful, grace and ease.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I mean, how much the world will benefit from making things simple and you know, doing less, wanting to learn less, and just just simplifying life and coming back. There was one which came out with what you just said, which is interesting because there's a whole lot of like trends about manifestation, but you were just saying there is a balance between I'm resolving my, let's say, my issues as a opportunity from a curious standpoint, like, oh, okay, this is triggering me, you know. I wonder what this means and how can I resolve it. And then also manifesting or creating or co-creating with the universe on something that you're visualizing, like, okay, let's say, you know, I'm a sports person, so I want to win this gold medal, or if I'm someone who is like striving to move somewhere closer to nature. So I see kind of addiction in both. Like there is a lot of addiction in like, okay, let's work through another trauma and let's find another shadow and dark place and kind of near nearly marinating in this obsession of like removing all the obstacle or bypassing and then, oh, let's just do vision boards and manifest and not actually addressing what's holding you back.
SPEAKER_00:Correct. Yeah, if you're not clearing out the negative programs, they're gonna keep hitting you. And I mean, how long do you want to have that struggle and suffering? And that's one of the things with the programming of the humans is we like to bond over our trauma and go tell our story of all the trauma, which we just give it more power, reinforce it so that it can't shift or change. It's like, you know, if you don't like your story, tell a new one, create a new one.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, this is a I'm just writing this down. If you don't like your story, create a new one. I think then in any moment and every breath we take, we have the opportunity, I think, to start again. So before we move to like what is the solution, I just would love to really also talk a little bit about. I know this is quite a quite a quite a word you have helped me to understand, the word of like control versus surrender. So, how much am I trying to control the outcome and being obsessed about like the plan, the structure, the next step, and how much I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna sit here and surrender and wait for all the good things to come to me. So I think they both have obviously the good and the bad behind it. But maybe in in your 40 years' experience, you've probably seen it all. So I just would love to just touch on this control versus surrender topic.
SPEAKER_00:Well, the only person that has control is the one who gives up control. But it's not the goal isn't to be out of control. But anytime you want to create something, you have to have an intent. It starts with intent, and then there's influence. How do you influence it? How do you support it? And then what position, you know, where's the focus? Well, so it's you know, I want to have a house, but you have to know where you want to have the house, you know, and how big is the house, you know. So the intent is you know to have a safe home, and you know, and the clearer you are of the details of what it is you want to experience, you put it out there and then it comes back to you. You know, you you create with you create with your thoughts and your imagination, which is what Einstein identified. So you start creating that way, but you have to allow the divine will to deliver. You have to give it the time and the space. So you have to have the patience and you have to have the curiosity. And so the what I'm finding is that the in looking at people with you know, like health conditions and healing, it I'm seeing the biggest problem that keeps people from getting what they want, whether it's feeling better or losing weight or having better relationships, is what I'm calling neocortex hijacking. Is that your brain takes over and starts, well, what if this is wrong, or what if I'm wrong, or or and goes into doubt. Well, doubt's the lowest consciousness that there is. Doubting yourself, doubting the creator, it's not going to work out. So take a look at what's the process that you're creating. If you're trying to say it has to be this, I want it to be like this, it won't be that. Because unless you're clearing out the subconscious programming, one of the things that you're programmed to do is anything that you want, you push away, and anything you don't want, you attract. So you say, Oh, I don't want that. Or if you use the N-word, the that means never if you start saying I'm never ever gonna do that. What it means is next.
SPEAKER_01:Interesting.
SPEAKER_00:You know, the people who say, I'm never ever getting married, the next thing you hear is dumb dum-tum. You know, the wedding bells are ringing, or I'm never having kids, the next thing you know, oh, here comes the baby. So be careful of the N-word. Yeah, because that makes it makes a difference. But you know, it's back to you know, be clear on your intent and look at your the integrity of your influence that you're using, and you know what where's the focus? What are you focusing on? Where's what's the position you want to create? And then just allowing. And you know, if you if you tell if you restrict the divine to give you exactly what you want, you tell exactly what you want, but you don't get anything more. And that's for me, that's not the fun. I like the surprise of what the creator delivers. Oh, love that that's a surprise that's new. I didn't I didn't, I never would have thought of that, you know. That's because if you're controlling and getting what you want to, that gets boring.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I think that you know, in the human design, it also is the same. Our job is to be aligned to the highest version of ourselves, okay, to be in coherence, to focus on that, and everything else will just like open up in front of you step by step without you having to control it. But I do believe that, you know, I I went uh myself away last weekend with a dear friend who was holding a beautiful retreat. Her name is Lenka Paul. Shout out to her and her beautiful community. And I consider myself aligned, I consider myself a person who is with the rhythm of nature, you know, drinks her celery juice in the morning, spends quality time with her son, da-da-da-da-da. Like the list of to-do lists is long, you know, use my healy, etc. And yet I had to go away for three days and sit literally amongst the trees to realize how distracted and busy I became and how unintentional my life became from the moment to moment. So it's what I'm seeing as well as a collective, we have become so busy, but busy with what? Busy with consuming content or being connected with everyone all the time. And I must say that I think has something to do with the part of the brain which likes to get distracted and likes to get the next thing and the next thing and the next shiny thing. And I must say that there is that disconnect that I felt, I felt very reconnected with myself. Okay, just that simple. Three days in nature, you know, amongst the trees. And in the UK, it wasn't the beautiful weather, it was quite rainy, but it was such a lovely, lovely break. And for me, you know, it's as simple as that. It's sometimes that reconnection happens to myself by spending quality time in nature. But I do want to move towards, okay, so if we have listeners out there who are resonating with what we're talking about, and there is that obvious, yes, I'm trying to do my best, but all these, you know, old issues keep coming up. What are some of the solutions? I know that there are several ones, but I know that over the years you have developed, and you know, we talked about it and we run several workshops, but I I want to talk about like, okay, now we know where the problem is.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Where can we, where can we look for a solution?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I I've been developing a new model. And the new model is looking at the I think there are three, right? At this point, I'll just call them triads, because if you look at the neural triad, there's the neocortex, the midbrain, the emotional brain, and the brain stem. So there's a there's three there. And then there's the somatic triad. Well, that's the fascia, the gut brain, and the heart brain. And so we know, like like with in psychology, the psychologists that and the psychiatrists that just deal with the neocortex, and they're getting the new the logical brain to look at the irlogical brain and to try to come up with coping mechanisms, their success rate isn't that high and it takes a long time. But there are other psychologists that are working with in the somatic area, so they get connect you to how do you how does that thought or that experience feel, and they get you to connect it to your body. And so their success rate is higher because they're dealing with the somatics. But then there's the the third triad, which I call the energetic triad. And that's where like the universal mind is, and that's where the the field, the morphogenetic field, the quantum field, and the cosmic field, the fields are. And then there's the systems, which is where it's like your computer code for your brain. And so the the and in that computer code, you can put an imprint in. That's where you put your intent, that's where you visualize healing, you know, or that's where you connect to with prayer or whatever. And so the the people that are plugging in there, you know, that finally answers the question of placebo effect, you know, that people just think they're getting better. Well, if you, you know, if it's a here's this little sugar pill, fine, you take it, but your intent is for to get better, and that's being plugged into your energetic field, then guess what? That can affect your somatic, the way you feel in your body, and it can also affect your brain, your nerves, you know, your nerve system, which runs all your organs and and your glands and things. So, you know, we we can start to see there's this hierarchy that if you work in the energetic field and connect that with the somatic field, then you can get a better effect in the neural field or the triads. So, you know, I've been working with that and testing and looking at the different therapies that people have that are out there, and it starts to explain which ones are more successful and which ones aren't, or which people are more successful. Because the people that have the poorest success rate for healing are not the indigenous people, are not the rural, less educated people. It's almost like the higher your education, the more you know analytical your brain is, the poorer your chances of healing. And it's because of what I was talking about with the neocortex hijacking. Your brain takes over and starts trying to run the show from the logic system. And you were talking about the surrender. Well, the surrender is you getting out of that logical thinking brain and connecting. That's where the breath therapy works and the meditation stuff works and the prayer works, is it you know, you focus on something else, you focus on, you know, whether it's your breathing or visualizing or you know, communicating with the source, it's that you're not using that logical analytical part of your brain. And so just moving from the logical brain to your emotional brain and your brain stems, that already puts you in the right direction. Like for business, you know, I've found that you know, entrepreneurs, the success rate of entrepreneurs worldwide is only 8% to get to break-even. And so, you know, here all these people trying to do good, trying to be successful. Why is the success rate so low? Or if I talk to my investment banker friends, you know, they invest in projects and their success rate is 4%, you know, and I tell them, well, how can you have a job? Because, you know, I work in the world of sport. If I don't have a 90% success rate, I don't have a job. Nobody wants to work with me. And people work with you and you have a 4% success rate. And they say, well, it's because of the unicorns, the ones that make it big make it really big, and it puts every triggers everyone's greed, and then they want that they want to have their own unicorn. So, you know, I think we're with the entrepreneurs, I wanted to find out why it is that. And I've found that there are 36 negative programs, negative emotions that everyone's running that link to the 36 steps in a process that I call formula for success. It's a process that if you go through this while developing your business, it improves your success rate to over 90%. So to move from 8% to 90%, I think is a a good endeavor to increase your chances of success. So, you know, it's just I like to define the steps and then figure out how how is it the humans are keeping themselves from doing what they want to do. I know lots of people that are doing these AI courses or doing these business, how to use the AI and how to use how to create a funnel and how to use online marketing and social media to make millions. And the success rate, whether it's you know, Russell Brunson and ClickFunnels, or whether you know, you look at the actual success rate of how many people get what they're supposedly selling, you know, like the million a year club, the success rate is very low. It's down in that 12% range. So if then why is that? These humans want to be successful, they spend the money, they put in the effort, and they won't launch their funnels or they won't do the social media. You know, I know a group that has some bots working from for marketing, and the people are too lazy to post twice a week. So, in other words, they won't spend 15 minutes twice a week to run their entire business because the rest is automated.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I think this is very interesting as you were talking about, because yeah, I would love to, I'd love to understand more, but like coming back to you know what we are barred with versus not is also, I think we are having a completely different generation that is not accepting the type of work commitment that we were trained to ultra anything and everything. So there is like another mix of, well, this is not my job. This is so yeah, coming back to your new model. I just want to come back to it. Like, how do you then apply it on the business, like practically? How would you work with someone? So let's just say, you know, I work in this beautiful um Bingham River House, which is a members place, and we have a lot of entrepreneurs. And I know that some of them have like a small size company, startups. They perhaps come from a background of a corporate world. They have been successful there. They, you know, they manage to go all the way to certain positions, I don't know, directors, VPs with you know substantial salaries and stable positions, but lots of time with the burnout, misaligned values, etc. So, you know, they move to startup environment, you know, doing something that perhaps they love or they really believe in, but it seems to be not successful. So if if that group of people would come, how would we work with them?
SPEAKER_00:Well, it you know, either we can you can go and follow, you know, what are their thoughts? What you know, what are those dissonant shadows that are showing up? What's triggering them? What's making them upset? What you know, you can you can either follow that route of resolving their issues, or we can take this approach that I've done this with so many people that this sequence of 36 in this sequence, if you clear all of those, it's going to get 90% of anything holding you back. So we can either systematically go through and approach it, or we can take more time and go one-on-one and follow your path to get where you want to go. Both are effective. You know, it's usually the best is if you go through the ones that seems to be all the humans have, whether you have them or don't, at least if you're clearing them, if it's already cleared, it doesn't matter. And then from there, it's a much shorter route to deal with just your individual issues.
SPEAKER_01:That makes total sense. I also must say that there is something magical about working in the community setup or in a group setup, because how many times we are dealing with something that someone else is dealing with, and we just think that, oh, it's I'm I'm the problem. I I am I well, you probably are, by the way. But I think there is a bit of a self-compassion if if if there is a group involved.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it takes the pressure off of you being wrong and you failing. But you know, I found that 80% in, you know, trying to map the epigenome and what are all the programs that the humans use to create this experience. I'm finding that 80% of the programs are the same for all people, whether they're Western educated from you know, from Asia, from North or South America, from Africa, that 80% is the same for all of us because we're all one and we're all the same, and 20% is unique for each person.
SPEAKER_01:Beautiful, beautiful. Well, Ken, I heard what I wanted to hear. Um, so what I would like to share is what I think we could do, like a little teaser, is share with the listeners, if they leave a comment and send us their email address, I'll just leave where we can share with them a little overview of what you were mentioning and also invite everyone to the course we will be holding. They to be confirmed in 2026. So starting the new year with having this beautiful work as an applied practice, not just this theoretical course that you come, you believe in something, and then it's like it goes back. It's actually the transformational experience that you've been holding spaces like this, you know, for all 40 years working with the and you still are you still working with athletes? You are right, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No, I haven't I have a new world champion from this year.
SPEAKER_01:Oh amazing, congratulations. And are you are you off to Tunisia?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, I'm off to Tunisia to Timbain for a five-stage e-bike race in the dunes in the desert.
SPEAKER_01:Wow, unstoppable. I'm gonna call you unstoppable. I'm gonna send you the talk. So yeah, just wanted to say a massive thank you for your time, always inspirational and transformational, just to be in your energy. And I I guess, yeah, I guess that's another thing, right? What I've noticed is when you listening to something that resonates, you will feel it. Like you don't need, you don't need to, you can really feel like, oh, this resonates. So there is not really like the soul is speaking and reaching out to be like, okay, this is really useful for me. This could be transformational. So kind of tapping into the fact. And then the second thing is what I've noticed, and I you know, I'm committed to do it more, is you know, when you find your people, surround yourself with your people because life is then easier. So through this work, you're more likely to also connect with others and be in the energy and the presence of others of like-minded you know consciousness, which is also that alone without any work is transformational.
SPEAKER_00:Perfect.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_00:Thank you. Okay, bye. Thank you soon. Bye.
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